Name Calling and Bible Bashing

Paul has elected to contiue the discussion.

Pauls_View  @pauls_view 
@PlayfulWalrus I have to take up bloggoing. It's unrealistic to reply to your pages of rhetoric with 140 chars...and yes it is rhetoric. 

 

Let's not forget, Paul chose to respond to my tweeting of a link to Matt Barber's column. I prefer blogging because emotion-based bumper sticker slogans may sound nice, but the truth usually requires more substance.

Calling what I write "rhetoric" is not disagreeing with what I wrote or showing where I was in error.

@PlayfulWalrus Your phrase of "neutering marriage" spotlights your bias.

"Neutering marriage" is a more accurate description for what Paul wants than "marriage equality". Brideless or groomless pairings are inherently unequal to marriage, regardless of what state law calls them. Also, unless Paul wants all restrictions on licensing adult relationships lifted, Paul does not support equality the what he claims to. By removing the bride+groom requirement from state licensing, the licenses are being neutered.

When all the gays in the world marry my marriage will be awesome!
I am sorry your marriage and your children's marriages are not capable of handling civil marriage between gays. Mine can!!

I never said my marriage couldn't handle things. What I said was that counterfeiting is harmful. My guess is that Paul would not be happy if Fred Phelps set up a school club and called it a Gay-Straight Alliance. Paul wants to dilute the meaning of the word "marriage". What he wants devalues marriage in general. State licensing is a public matter. This is a public policy matter. We all have to live in the same society, government by the same laws.

@PlayfulWalrus I have a feeling you won't dedicate an hour to an opposing view but an open minded person would: youtube.com/watch?v=4OiDrb…

  I was already aware of that video. People can do all sorts of verbal gymanistics and selective reading to "explain away" every verse of an English language Bible that says anything negative about homosexual behavior. However, that doesn't change the fact that the plain, repetitive teaching of the Bible, literally from the first book to the last, is that marriage unites a bride and a groom, and that sex is for marriage, regardless of where and when someone is living, regardless of whether they are Jew of Gentile.

Regardless of the Bible, however, resisting the neutering of marriage is about scientific, biological, and sociological facts.

@PlayfulWalrus Your views that the government does discriminate is not relevant to civil rights for committed relationships.See:Constitution

The Constition calls for people who do the same things to be treated equally. That is preserved under bride+groom requirements in state marriage licensing. The Constituon, and all the Amendments thereof, were written and adopted by representatives who understood that marriage unites the sexes.

@PlayfulWalrus And one more thing, your statement about being empathetic is laughable. All those with bigoted views think they are just.

As he did with Barber, Paul attacks me. That doesn't deal with the arguments at hand.

@PlayfulWalrus 1 last 1-really. I read your blogs & think of the wonderful gay people I know & its sad how much effort u put in against them

I am not putting in any effort against gay people. I am putting in effort opposing the neutering of marriage and fascism as are some gay people! I am putting in effort supporting marriage and sex within marriage. And guess what? I didn't pick this fight. I have blogged in response to people attacking my rights and my values.

Then Paul, who claims to be a Christian, goes back to trying to portray the Bible as bad. I wonder where Paul get's his values or why he calls himself a Christian?

@PlayfulWalrus The bible says spilling your seed on the ground is reason for God taking your life.

Nope. It doesn't say that about me. I am not under levrite laws. My brother is alive and capable all on his own.

You cherry pick like all bigots,

  How am I a bigot? I support equal rights for all adults. My positions are carefully considered based on reality.That's not bigotry.

@PlayfulWalrus The bible is pro slavery & polygamy. Where are your blogs about that. Oh wait...you will falsely explain those parts away.

Nope and nope. Notice how "not accepting whatever Paul tweets"not accepting whatever Paul tweets" = "falsely explaining away". I wonder what Paul's objecting to polygamy is? Is Paul bigoted against the polyamorous?

@PlayfulWalrus Marriage expansion would make more sense. Your phrase screams bias & is designed to portray negativity youtube.com/watch?v=4OiDrb…

  When you remove the core/foundating of something, you are not expanding it. When you counterfeit money, you aren't expanding the money.

@PlayfulWalrus You say more negative things about gays than Jesus ever did. He, as good Christians know, said NOTHING negative about gays!

Jesus wasn't dealing with the ACLU, GLSEN, PFLAG, Lambda, GLAAD, AFER, etc. Jesus affirmed marriage and affirmed the Hebrew Scriptures.
Paul keeps attacking me and the Bible and saying things that aren't so, rather than dealing with the issues:
1) Neutering marriage isn't required by the Constitution, nor is it necessary. We have no compelling reason to make such a dramatic change to public policy.
2) I do not believe it would be, on the whole, beneficial for society. We are seeing the rights of other people violated for the sake of neutering marriage. Fascist tendencies are on display. Paul agreed that it was wrong to go after the florist, which was Barber's point.